A TV-Evangelist in Lesotho

Ernest Angley is an American television evangelist who has no problem asking for money up front. Gimme the money. What's wrong with that, you say. Don't churches ask for money every Sunday? Don't they pass an offering plate among the faithful? The truth is that everybody does. But Angley has a jet, the village preacher doesn't. Angley claims he can help cure "death diseases" like AIDS, the village preacher doesn't. To my knowledge, Angley hasn't scholar-shipped a single needy child, the village preacher has. The difference is important.

Ernest Angley has recently been promising Basotho that he'd cure their AIDS. Why would he promise that? In America, and in other wealthy countries, this kind of claim may very well serve to fill his offering plate, but in Lesotho the man certainly operates at a loss. Perhaps he's down there for publicity's sake. "Hey look, I'm here too, just like Prince Harry and Bill Clinton. I'm helping these poor souls, too. So you who are in a rich country, gimme more money so I can help more poor souls."

Idland looks at the situation from a closer vantage point, and warns that one of the effects of this "mission" is that less people will get tested, and the virus will get a break and spread.

People in Lesotho doesn't [sic] need a miracle worker. They need education, and they need compassion and understanding from their families and communities. The resources are there to help far more people than are seeking treatment at this time, but people need to take the initiative to get tested, to seek treatment. Miracle workers like Mr. Angley only perpetuate the stigma - they let people think, 'Maybe he's for real. Maybe I don't have to get tested now.' And the sickness spreads further [Source].

Indeed, people who are just beginning to see the wisdom of consulting medical doctors instead of sangomas, are now being told that they can get cured just like that. I say bollocks to that. From Maseru, the Angley troop headed to Bloemfontein. It seems like blatant charlatanry is illegal in South Africa. I'd be interested in finding out what happened in that country.

Some of Idland's commenters say things like, "Actually there have been medically documented cases of people who attended Ernest Angley's crusades that were indeed cured of AIDS / HIV;" but they fail to provide such documentation. Can miracles happen? Yes, I know they can. Can I provide documentation? I've never claimed I could, although I believe it may exist. The point is that [1.] if someone, somewhere, cures AIDS, we'd hear about it, and [2.] miracles are not remote-controlled like a TV set, they aren't penny-driven, they're emotional, rewarding and personal, and have very little to do with people like Mr. Angley.

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[alease davis]

It has always bothered me that,in spite of being in TV for decades,there is never a filmed,visible miracle available for viewing.Not just Angley,but all these men and women who claim thatGod works through them.I do believe in miracles,but why are the TV ones always invisible.Yeah,yeah,Ive heard people say that if God did an obvious miracle,then we wouldnt need faith anymore.And I've heard it said that visible miracles only happen in primotive areas,where people have more faith,and are not as jaded as Americans.And I've heard it said that Americans havent been taught properly how to recieve miracles..None of these explanations seem to make much sense,because Jesus did miracles in front of hostile unbelievers,healed unbelievers(even those who struggled with doubt),did miracles which were visible to all onlookers(even His enemies never tried to say that He wasnt performing miracles).I've heard that we dont see the visible miracles because we now have all the modern medical advances..but medicine cant regrow a missing arm,a blind eye or cura one who is paralyzed.So why dont we see any visible miracles being performed today,on these shows. I dont know if it is true that Ernest Angley teaches that abortion is not a sin..I keep coming across that on a few sites,but I have never been able to confirm it.If this is true,this is a terrible,terrible sin.God knits us together in our Mother,s womb...human life is sacred,from the moment of conception.Life does not begin when a baby takes its first breath,how absurd can you get.Ask any woman who has had a child. Does anyone out there know for a fact if it is true that Rev.Angley teaches this.How about you members of his church who are always on here.Please,someone,tell me the truth,dont cover for Angley if he is wrong.You are not doing anyone a favor by refusing to answer this serious question.If this is a vicious lie being spread about Angley,then set the record straight.Why do I have a feeling that I am only going to get dead silence on this one..any takers? Ernest Angley causes great fear in Christians,who believe his doctrines about "the unforgivable sin" for example.He says that if anyone,even a born again Christian,says that his miracles are not real,then they have "Blasphemed the Holy Spirit.Are we expected to accept claims for which no evidence is ever provided,and nothing visible is ever seen?People like me have been fooled too many times in the past,to ever be that trustingly naive ever again.I would love to believe that miracles are happening at Angley's,in fact I think they sometimes probably do.There are so many faith filled Christians that attend those meetings.But to damn us to Hell for being an honest skeptic,come on!I would love to see documentation of aids healings,not testimonies,not anonymous accounts(to protect people,s privacy)Surely some people out there would gladly let their stories be told,along with open medical documentation,names given,medical follow ups,etc.I know,some people will say"She is just a person with no faith,who wouldnt believe anyways"That could not be further from the truth.I have been a Christian for 32 years.I sought Christ on my own,at 15,after being raised in a Godless,agnostic family.I am a seeker of the truth in all things.I cannot blindly accept the claims of spiritual leaders.

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